Foul Stench As Brown Stains Hull's Progress
Mar 18th, 2009 by 'holic
I am not alone in smiling at the irony of ‘gobgate’. Things have turned full circle. We live in strange times when northern nancies depart from another defeat on a warm spring evening bemoaning the vicious prawn bagel munchers in the crowd at the Grove for their part in intimidating the referee and the visitors. London N5 has suddenly converted from a library into the most hostile environment imaginable for the precious artisans from north of Watford.
Above all else though is the sickening behaviour of Phil Brown. Anybody who heard this pathetic individual on his Radio Five Live interview this morning will understand how close he has come to being mentally unhinged by one defeat.
Arsenal supporters have long since recognised that Arsene is not the best of losers, but he has never plumbed the depths that Brown did in his television interview at the final whistle, and his follow up on national radio this morning. He lied about never having shaken hands with Wenger when video clips and photographs were flooding the net to disprove this particular untruth. He tried to deny making remarks about ‘showing what sort of a football club Arsenal are’ after the game.
Do I believe this proven liar’s unsubstantiated version of events, or the denial issued immediately by Cesc Fabregas? It’s a no-brainer, really, isn’t it?
I made the point after the match that the “post match accusations were the stuff of the playground, and hopefully those who have fashioned an admirable first season in the top flight will take time to consider their actions before adding to what is sure to be a media frenzy.”
I was one of many Arsenal fans who congratulated our counterparts from Hull when the Tigers won at the Grove in September. We followed their early season successes elsewhere and enjoyed the attitude of the team and supporters from Humberside. I am deeply sad that the little man in charge has soiled all of that in twenty-four hours with his irrational and childish ranting.
I hope Hull survive this season, but they face a difficult end of season when cool heads will be at a premium. Cool heads were not in evidence last night. You have taken Hull a long way Mr Brown, but you are a loose nut who could destroy what that club has achieved. You should consider taking yourself out of the firing line for the good of Hull City, and your own health.
35 Responses to “Foul Stench As Brown Stains Hull's Progress”
Fresh from the London Drinker beer festival, I’ll have a pint of Dark Star please landlord.
Im a hull supporter and would like to congradulate arsnel on their win.
I think both wenger and brown lost it a bit that night and things did not help with mike riley giving yellow cards out for little things he is a complete idiot.
I cant see why Brown would make up the spitting story, only a few people know what went on with cesc and our number 2.
It is winding me up that people say he is lying when nobody has evidence to say that he is.I understand why brown gets a bit heated after a loss, its because its our first season in the top flight and he is under pressure to keep us up but thats the same with most managers.
I hope it will be water under the bridge for both clubs so hull can concentrate on getting points and for arsenal in champions leauge and fa cup.
Hull forever Garreth
Tango some dirty liar.Last night it was cesc spat at whore ,today it was at his feet when in fact he just spat his gum out at his own feet so he could tell him to fuck of back to hull. Tango was walking ahead of all this and didnt even see it! Cesc should sue
Excellent piece young ‘holic. It is interesting to note the number of people who have backed Horton’s version of events – so far only Brown who actually wasn’t presentb- if my understanding of the situation is correct.
Minus the naughty ‘b’ of course.
Garreth. I think the point is the way Brown has acted. After a defeat he completely lost the plot. If Cesc has spat at Horton then he deserves to have the book thrown at him. But there are ways of doing things. His outburst was bordering on Keegan’s all those years ago. A man out of control and on the edge. He has now accused Wenger for getting your keeper a booking. 25 seconds to take a goal kick when 1 nil up. 5 seconds when 2-1 down? Walking out to take a free kick 40 yards from goal. Placing the ball down and the walking back for an outfield player to take it? I am not having a go at the tactics and if the result had gone your way then you would accept the bookings. But Brown lost it.
He has since come on air and confirmed that no handshake took place in any previous game. This has been proved to be wrong. He now has a further dig at Fabregas for being on the pitch at the end and for the clothes he is wearing????? I mean, what has got into the bloke????? Perhaps if Brown had shown the same dignity in defeat that you have, then his integrity would not be called into question now.
Riley was a shambles. He ruined the game. But that is neither Arsenal or Wenger’s fault. We have put up with our own fair share of crap officials this season.
Keep the faith.
Another Hull supporter here. Firstly we’re not Northerners you cockney shite. Brown is no liar – you’re still p*ssed at the defeat we inflicted on you last year. Have you seen the footage of Fabricated earlier spitting transgression? He’s got form at the expectorating game. You can’t all be as blind as your (superb) manager.
If I were Phil Brown, I would think twice before I comment on someone’s apparel.
He obviously thinks he’s Joe Pesci in the movie Goodfella.
So Phil Brown is from south of the Medway then?
Great piece ‘holic and props to garreth for some commonsense.
He’s right that both managers got a bit tetchy and Riley was, er, Riley; but as to the spitting stuff I have to say that I find it odd that Brown rather than Horton, the alleged recipient, is the one pursuing the issue.
Like you ‘holic I did have something of a soft spot for Hull after they taught us a lesson in September but that’s all gone now. Off you go to the conference with your allardyce clone . . . .
its unfortunate that you lost an FA Cup semi with a dodgy refereeing decision, last year we were knocked out of a Champions League quarter final with an even worse refereeing decision, stop lying and grow up, if you want to play with the big boys, learn how to take a beating!
Our achievements over the last four years dwarf yours Finsbury you cockmeister. None of our players have demonstrated the arrogance of Fabregas – his bullying strut would put a Wetherspoons bouncer to shame. His words to Hughes and his spitting on Bollock are matters of record. I didn’t realise that your manager’s myopia was so contagious. Come on Hull.
The myopia is so contagious PR you appear to have caught it yourself.
Err yeah. Thanks db. Moving on.
There is no evidence he spat at Ballack, either. The footage doesn’t show any spit leaving his mouth. It looks like he said a short sharp insult or swear-word.
According to a match report at the time (courtesy of Oh To Be A Gooner):
“The Germans were winding the clock, Ballack cleverly going to ground under a challenge from Fabregas, who was cautioned for shouting an insult at the prostrate midfielder.”
PR, you forgot the pizza in old red nose’s boat race, you northern nobend!
I don’t know how it works in the UK, but Cesc and Arsenal Football Club should sue Phil Brown for defamation. He had no right whatsoever to say things about how Cesc’s alleged behavior shows what AFC are about, or the total nonsense about Cesc’s attire or his right to enter the pitch the game to congratulate his teammates. How Fab chooses to dress has absolutely no significance to this sensationalized and over-inflated ‘incident’.
I hope the FA investigate his ridiculous post-match interview and the obvious holes in his accusations.
PR – f*ck off. How dare you compare anything we’ve achieved in our illustrious history to that of Hull’s. Christ.
Arsenal = 90 consecutive seasons in the top divison.
Hull = 104 years of existence, one season in top division.
Yes Hull certainly have achieved a lot…
PR, fuck off back oop north you prat
I can read here someone saying “It is winding me up that people say he is lying when nobody has evidence to say that he is.”
How ridiculous. Can this moron proof that he is NOT lying ?
Where are the witnesses, where is a video, where is any proof ??
Arsenal should lodge an official complaint to the FA themselves for denunciation and unfounded accusation. That is what the FA should investigate. If this moron of Brown can’t come up with anything, he should be in a hot soup for bringing such disrepute to a player and the game.
I am still waiting since two days for any kind or type of proof – where are all these ‘clever’ reporters, anyone has digged out something ?
No – means Brown is just the sxame dam**d liar as big fat Sam, get’em both out of the EPL.
“I cant see why Brown would make up the spitting story, only a few people know what went on with cesc and our number 2.
It is winding me up that people say he is lying when nobody has evidence to say that he is.”
Yes but then why would Cesc issue a categorical denial if he hadn’t done it? By way of comparison, he did not issue a categorical denial circa pizzagate when it is widely accepted that he was the culprit that day.
As for evidence, Brown is the one making the accusation and thus has to provide evidence of Cesc spitting. Until that evidence or some proof of guilt or reliable testimony is provided then fabregas should be considered innocent.
Brown is being called a liar because he lied about the handshake issue, which was just stupid of him. That stain on his character has seen him marked out in the eyes of all Arsenal fans as a liar. It, quite naturally, makes us less inclined to believe his story about Fabregas spitting.
As for Cesc spitting on Ballack being a matter of record, it’s actually exactly the opposite. The referee’s record of that match will surely indicate that no such spitting incident took place (the referee had full view of the incident and dished out punishment. The punishment was a yellow card, not the red that is typically given for spitting). The video is inconclusive at best, and completely in Cesc’s favour at worst (for those looking to damage his character).
As for insulting Hughes, that was just funny. Aside from that, who cares? I mean, how precious can you get? Widdle Cesc hurt Hughesie Wughesies feelings! Give me a break.
Issues that should be of genuine importance, like Diouf’s violent tackle on Almunia – and several other poor tackles this season not involving Arsenal – are overlooked by the English football community while non-incidents like this are given maximum exposure. It’s absurd.
I can’t for the life of me figure out why Brown is being taken so seriously by so many. I really hate the whole mentality of fans ‘the media’s against Arsenal rah rah rah’ when in reality we get plenty of praise to go along with the negativity from the press, but in this case I’m inclined to go along with that. People are siding against Arsenal when as far as I can see we’ve done nothing wrong, which I genuinely believe (I try and be as objective as possible).
I’m also annoyed at Cesc being depicted as some sort of deviant psychopath. “He had not right to be there” are there any relevant rules of regulations on this matter? It’s Arsenal’s home ground and I suspect our captain can do whatever he likes with the manager’s approval. Why should he be denied the right to be on the pitch to congratulate his team mates after the game? Why is what he’s wearing of any relevance? The notion that he should’ve been in a suit and tie is an anachronism usually adopted by ex-pro pundits. Who gives a shit how he’s dressed? What are these non-existant sartorial guidelines he is obliged to follow?
A photo of him bearing teeth is of dubious merit as many single, decontextualised photos often are. The depth of the photo is hard to discern (it seems to me like he is some distance from the Hull players in the background) and the ‘scowl’ could easily be a form of fired up celebration addressed only to his team mates. I’m not saying he’s in the clear here but that photo as evidence of any misconduct is completely worthless.
The whole thing is just irritating. It’s such a non-issue yet here we are (myself included) talking about it endlessly. Why has it been lent so much credibility? It’s genuinely difficult to fathom.
What is despicable is that the English media has given that cunt brown and his cronies a free pass. All these “journalists” should be ashamed of the shit they call work. It is unbelievable how all the focus is on Cesc and not that greasy cunt of a manager who has changed his story about the spotting THREE FUCKING TIMES in addition to be a confirmed liar about Wenger refusing to shake hands and saying he didnt question the ethics of Arsenal FC. And then Brown, a skidmark on the underpants of Football, has the audacity to shout, “Are you questioning my integrity?” Abosofuckinglutely we are questioning your integrity, or what little of it still remain when video and photographic evidence confirms you are a no good lying cheating bastard. I hope Brown and that “football club” called Hull fucking rot back in the championship and below. Cunts, the whole lot of them.
I think you are spot on Ausgunner. Why all the media interest in this fairly minor incident when there appears to be no proof that the incident ever took place, when things such as the potentially leg-breaking, career-threatening Diouf ‘tackle’ on Almunia and plenty of other similar ‘tackles’ elsewhere, hardly get a mention? It is a strange paradox about this country that to spit on or at someone is considered just about the worst possible thing that one person can do to another whereas a punch, kick or head butt is often accepted as just a bit naughty and all part of a ‘mans game’. Now spitting at or on someone is a pretty objectionable thing to do and it shouldn’t happen but given the choice of being spat at or having my jaw broken by a punch or my leg broken by a crazy, vicious and reckless ‘tackle’ I’d take the saliva any day. As far as I am concerned Cesc is innocent until proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and given the number of times that Brown has changed his story and the fact that there don’t seem to be any clear corroborative witnesses to the alleged incident that proof seems pretty unlikely to materialise. End of story! Let’s leave it there and get on with winning the next game please.
maybe the fact the arsenal team is slowly but surely stringing some important results together has spoilt the scripts of doom some of them had concluded before the end of December hence they are annoyed and need something to say about arsenal in crises.
Its desperation when this non incident is the best they can come up with.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2356450/Flat-Arsenal-fall-to-Ballacks-men.html
link to the match report from the time which I quoted above. Henry Winter in The Telegraph. No mention of spitting.
Was absolutely seething after seeing Browns interview after the game. It’s there to see that Wenger looks over 2 or 3 times to shake, Brown and his muppet assistant blanked him. What really got me was the “shows what this club is all about” comment. Words fail me, how dare he come out with that? Brown is a muppet, he humiliated his players at half time on Boxing Day, he allies himself along with the likes of Allerdyce in showing a total lack of respect to our manager and club and gets away with it. There is a sniggering contempt amongst certain parts of the media in regard to AW, it was fairly evident on Setanta after the game, why the fuck do we have Tim Sherword on the panel anyway? Thank God John Hartson was there to redress the balance. The press coverage has focused on the Cesc allegations and Arsenes “bad sportsmanship”. Todays Mail criticises Cesc for wearing a Hoodie! Fucking hell!
Whilst I hate Philly B for all his lying bullshit, what I can’t understand is how the media (BBC Mark Poogatch and Mark Bright) to name a few are getting away with repeating his lies unquestioningly without any fact checking, and especially 5Live giving Hull a platform to do so, practically dedicating the whole day to them.
I’m no lawyer, but can’t Fab and Wenger sue Hull, Brown and the main media dickheads for libel and slander?
I just wish Arsenal would come out and fight their corner a bit more and defend themselves to what seems like a persistent flow of shit directed at them from certain mangers/players and sections of the media.
I have a feeling the FA will hit Fab anyway, for something like entering the field of play when he shouldn’t have done or unsporting behaviour.
cesc has every right to be on the pitch, dressed in whatever fashion he so chooses if the club hasn’t told them to be in suits, phil brown has let himself down, poor man, it must be hard to keep up with fat sam.
oh and did you hear him call the 5live presenter ‘darling’? disgraceful ; )
I can’t understand this splenetic anger that comes from Phil Brown. He keeps complaining that Arsene didn’t see the incident. He didn’t see it because he was in the dressing room. What do you want Arsene to do? Lie and say “yes I saw the incident”, if he didn’t see it he didn’t see it.
I watched and listened to the game through Talksport, 5 live updates and some online streams. All of those media outlets commented on the persistent time wasting by Hull and Myhill, so no it was not Wenger who got Myhill booked.
I also find it strange that the most orange manager in existence (tm Phil Brown), purveyor of awful suits, elongated scarves, terrible facial hair and sub new romantic overcoats should be giving Cesc sartorial advice.
DoSac, I think Arsenal have treated this incident with all the respect it deserves. All it needed was that statement from Cesc yesterday and no more. We are a serious football club and our aim is winning trophies, we should not be giving any more credence the matter.
@DoSac.
You’re absolutely correct in every word you said. People should have noticed by now there is a media witch hunt against us. It’s been going on for for some time this anti-Arsenal brigade and Phil Brown and his fat boyfriend Sam Allardyce are just to name a few. Mark Bright is one of the dumbest and annoying pundits I’ve ever come across. Fucking laughs like a fucking girl and cant get his facts straight. Stan Collymore just hearing his voice says it all. Setanta sports are analysis and anti-Arsenal bias is so obvious. What makes them look even more stupid is pathetic pundits like Tim Sherwood and McManaman. Jumping on the bandwaggon like many others, already making conclusions and false accusations about Fabregas, Wenger and Arsenal.
Tony Cascarino spits so much saliva when talking out his arse. The Daily Mail is the most fascist neswpaper in the country. Telling Fabregas to leave the country whether he spit or not because he’s a foreigner. Disgrace! They obviously follow this Phil Brown mentality and cynical ploy to insult, ridicule and disrespect our club and manager. COWARDS!!!
There are many vile, lying, manupulating, ignorant journalists about and alot of them lack intelligence. They can all fuck off those muppets! We dont need positive publicity from them. We’ll shut those cynical hypocrites and do the talking on the pitch but that’s only way to defeat those lying, cheating, leg breaking, thuggish, cynical, anti-football, over spending, negative, worthless teams like Hull City with their twat lying manager and those fucking journalist cunts and pundits. The whole lot of them are cunts, simple as that!
We’re all laughing including Fabregas and Wenger at these scum people, they’re not fit enough to be civilized and tell the truth.
i hope our boys get their back on the wall and adopt that important ‘all against us’ mentality from this incident; …..anything else is just waste of time
can’t wait for the semi!
Evening ‘holic. Another purposeful and well made article.
I’m still enjoying taste of Tuesday’s black gold so I’ll opt for another pint, if you please.
Having looked at the Cesc spitting video a few more times (difficult to avoid), I have to say that Ballack didn`t have the normal reaction to being spat in the face, ie to immediately wipe away the spit. Perhaps Ballack himself might like to clear the matter up.
@ Biscuitbum, if you listen to the Guardian football podcast they speak to a German journalist who interviewed Ballack after the match and neither he or his team mention Fab spitting at him. If he did spit, then I think it would have been mentioned at the time by Ballack and reported on by the media, but it wasn’t.