Love And Hate
Nov 14th, 2015 by 'holic
There were minutes last night where I thought this morning I would be writing about Olivier Giroud and Santi Cazorla. Just minutes. Long before the final whistles last night something far more important than football was happening.
Our thoughts and prayers go out this morning to the victims of senseless, barbaric, terrorism. Last night it was Paris, again. In recent days it was Lebanon, Syria, Iraq.
People everywhere deserve to go about their business on this floating rock in peace.
Love to all who think similarly.
43 Responses to “Love And Hate”
A message of solidarity to you all .
We have our values and loving beautiful football freely is one of them .
We are not afraid , we will be never afraid
I have no words that can express the contempt that I feel for these barbarians.
Stay safe Holics, everywhere.
What must the mothers be thinking?
Mothers of the killers and of the killed.
Peace on earth and good will to all. Can’t really think of them as empty words.
Fraternite avec les gens de France.
Thoughts & prayers to all those affected by these terrible times. May we all live in times of peace and freedom of fear.
Whoops – back on dry land, forgot to change my mobile phone tag – no broadband as BT making a pigs ear of upgrading my broadband – quelled surprise!
What a world we live in these days that we can’t go out on a Friday night with family and friends and not be scared of getting blown into pieces. RIP!! Condolences to all those who lost loved ones.
Thanks for posting this Holic.
Sometimes things far more serious than football occur and this was one.
Heartfelt condolences to the bereaved, those whose loved ones have been brutally injured and to all the people of Paris and beyond who are disgusted by this act of barbaric cruelty.
Whenever a terrorist atrocity happens you look back and think how it could have been even more serious. The Stade De France was packed with 80,000 people, the other places hit carried less people but the rock concert hall was huge as well. Thank goodness it was no worse but how awful that it happened at all.
Sad news
Perfect resonse H
Zico at 2 – I have the words to describe my contempt for these barbarians.
Frankly they are not worth the effort it would take to type them.
France is a peaceful democratic country – but it is no push over.
France, in my opinion is much more likely than Britain to act unilaterally in retaliation.
It would of course be an escalation of violence but would probaly carry some popular support in France.
Stuck here in NZ I am seething with rage – feels just like 9/11 or 7/7.
I have always felt that Islam is incompatible with western freedom and philosophy and this has hardened my conviction in this regard.
As an atheist I am absolutely horrified at the notion that any human being can perpertrate such attrocities and justify them by claiming that it was “Gods Will ”
Lets call it what it is – an act of senseless violence committed against innocent unarmed civilians.
Vive Le France
And may the victims family and friends find some peace.
Of all the species that ever lived 99.9 per cent are now extinct. I don’t know which holds the record for the shortest existence span, but mankind appears hell bent on setting a new record.
In my opinion the dreadful happenings in Paris and elsewhere (and throughout mankind’s cosmically brief history) suggest the birth pangs of a still nascent species which we have to survive if we are to grow and leave any kind of mark on the universe.
But the odds against us leaving any remembrance on this planet, never mind beyond it, currently look slim indeed.
Oskar
I held it truth, with him who sings
To one clear harp in divers tones,
That men may rise on stepping-stones
Of their dead selves to higher things.
— In Memoriam, Section 1. Alfred Lord Tennyson
It utterly bemuses me that people who all claim to love and be loved by the same god, are prepared, or even eager, to kill each other because they have chosen or inherited a different prayer system.
Different sects within the same religion, sharing the same country, often hate each other as much as an entirely different culture on the other side of the world.
Terrorists gunning down random individuals in a restaurant or a theatre, will never be allowed politically to achieve a thing. Nothing. At all.
It is because these acts are so conpletely cowardly and futile that they hurt those left behind so much.
For the same reasons, the perpetrators will will always fail.
There is so much pleasure to be had in the world from kindness, manners and respect, it is sad for us all that these sick thugs will never enjoy it.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/attacker-tried-to-enter-paris-stadium-but-was-turned-away-1447520571
At least one of the attackers outside France’s national soccer stadium had a ticket to the game and attempted to enter the 80,000-person venue, according to a Stade de France security guard who was on duty and French police.
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It could have been much worse.
Thoughts go out to all those affected…
thank you, holic. well said. as the season of peace moves towards us, let’s hope all of our light can illuminate the darkness.
It’s incredibly difficult to legislate against fanatics. Anyone that is prepared to surround their bodies with untold amount of explosives is not someone capable of rational thought or actions. Everyone responsible for the atrocities in Paris was doing so in the knowledge that they were going to die. They hide under the banner of religion but the truth is that they are just murdering terrorists. No genuine religion in the world would condone such actions. The targets were all soft targets. Normal people enjoying a normal Friday night out. I’m sure all of us have been to a major sporting event, bars and to a concert.
The way the situation unfolded in Paris was incredibly frightening. It was clearly an event that was planned and well orchestrated. The world has to unite to eliminate such extremism. These are not ration people that will get round a table to negotiate.
For now my thoughts are with the people of France.
We need to work on their 40 virgins conviction. Make them doubt that and martyrdom wouldn’t be nearly as attractive. For a start, after 40 f***s none of them would be virgins any more, just 40 women all demanding clothes, jewellery, cars, houses etc etc etc … and that wouldn’t be paradise, it would be a f*****g nightmare!
Oskar
Thanks H. Captured the mood perfectly.
still seething. waiting for the pitiless response to those cowards to begin.
time for those in power to wake up and do their b****y jobs.
So sad.
#I Personally Really Don’t Knw What Exactly What Is Going In The World of Sport….God Is Involve
These are theocrats fighting a war that knows no distinction between civilians and combatants and recognises no boundaries to the battlefield — not that that makes it any less necessary or urgent to defeat them, or the carnage being inflicted on our cities and citizens any less awful. This piece in The New Yorker is a grim but realistic read to that point: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-paris-attacks-aftermath-and-prelude.
@18
Cobra met this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WgUktfdDy4
Shocking events in Paris. I cannot fully express here the depth of my disgust at these vermin.
Every football fan should raise a toast to the Security Guard who spotted the suicide bombers and stopped them entering the stadium on Friday. I understand that he survived the explosion. Excellent work sir.
I am sure he will get a medal but he also deserves our gratitude as do his colleagues. We now know the extent to which we depend on their expertise and courage.
What bath said @23 about the security guard.
What bath said @23, again,
Great point Bath. It doesn’t bear thinking about had they entered .
That security guard deserves all our gratitude.
bath at 23, yes.
and praise to adel termos, who saved hundreds in Beirut: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hero-sacrificed-own-life-save-213611064.html
Yes, scrub, I saw a piece on Adel somewhere else.
A lot of people owe him their lives.
Another tragedy – more children left without a father.
There are no words for these murdering scumbags.
Does anyone even have a clue what their endgame is ?
sorry – scrub = scrub
ffs, scruz
Global caliphate, Trev.
Trev: Islamic State’s endgame is straightforward: the establishment of an Islamic state that rules all Muslims. In the vision of IS’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, there is no place for non-believers (and that includes Shias let alone us infidels) in this global caliphate and those that get in the way of its establishment are to be swept aside forcibly. The violence also fits with Islamic eschatology (there’s a word I would never have expected to use on an football blog), which is is even more apocalyptic than the Christian Old Testament view of the end-days.
On an optimistic note, like Communism, IS will eventually disintegrate because its leadership will become corrupt and divided and will fail to deliver the promised new world order in which Muslims will run the world and the Islamic world’s rich and brilliant history is restored that appeals to so many poor and disenfranchised Muslims, especially those who are young men of fighting age. The less optimistic note is that, as with Communism, it may take a couple of generations to do so.
If there was ever a time for the organization known as the United Nations to be truly united, it would be now, to deal with these savages as if this was a biological plague that was threatening the entire existence of humankind. No nation of peoples, however rich or poor, would be immune from that sort of devastation, and that’s about to happen if all nations do not combat this infestation with every nation’s full force.
On another sad note, leading to that lament of “Why?”: Hungarian keeper Marton Fulop — yes, the keeper whose howlers for WBA vs. Arsenal in the last match a few seasons back kept us above Spurs and into CL qualification — dead at age 32. Cancer. Why?
Ned, clearly stated. many thanks. great comparison to a plague.
sad about marton fulop 🙁
Wishful thinking about the UN, BJ. Every change of government of its constituent members brings changes to that country’s position, never mind its position apropos other nations. Nor can they ever wield real power so long as the five Security Council veto holders limit it, and they won’t be giving that advantage away any time soon.
Perhaps if America had actually practised the democracy it espouses instead of allowing its military industrial complex oligarchs to view, and treat, the world as their personal fiefdom we might never have reached this impasse. After all a good part of the present ISAL hierarchy is made up of former Saddam Baathists and ex-Iraqi army officers disenfranchised by America’s unwarranted 2003 invasion. With, of course, the support and approval of Bliar, if not the people he represented.
You reap what you sow. Which should in no way be read as justifying it or approving of it. Just simple cause and effect.
Oskar
Spot on everyone!
Attacking innocent and defenseless people on a night out is nothing but cowardly and barbaric. They believe they are warriors and hide behind religious banner. Sad times in Paris indeed.
Glad the security guy did his work really well and probably saved hundreds of lives. Good on you fella!
Thoughts are with those suffering!
Personally I would offer all these ISAL nutcases hell-bent on martyrdom a short cut to Jannah and the so-tempting virgins they crave. Invite them along to some remote desert location, have them line up on their prayer mats and machine gun them en masse. Bring in the ‘dozers. Job done. What a way to go, Mohammed, you’ll be remembered for ever!
Oskar
Cheers, bath, Ned.
I realise that is theoretically what they crave but you have to wonder how they themselves would ever survive it. Having wiped out all their obvious dissenters, you could inagine them all suspiciously eyeing each other up, wondering who to kill next.
I realise Western foreign policy is not without some blame but this sort of random barbarism will turn many more against them than to them.
Disgusting and ultimately counter-productive.
atg@36: I don’t think IS fighters are ‘hiding’ behind a religious banner. They are waging jihad out of conviction. Doesn’t make what they did in Paris any less barbaric but IS won’t be defeated if we don’t recognize its motivations and instead treat it as a handful of psychopaths.
There is no good or bad terrorist, they are just plain ugly. The world needs to unite and clear them off or else it is a monster which will not go away. It is like the world created a monster which now cannot be controlled, it can only be eliminated.
The prayers are with all, not just the victims in paris, the ones who died in Beirut the previous day, the ones who die daily across middle east and the ones who seem to await eventuality that may befall them sooner or later.
The world needs to be a safer place. We should not worry if it is us next and instead believe that we are safe and sound.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p02gyz6b/adam-curtis-bitter-lake
and for those of us without access to iplayer, here’s another source, in 3 parts:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hdcji
Thanks all for your contributions.
Thanks for the vid, Esso. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>