“I would like to bid for the major stars, but the Arsenal board’s wage structure will not allow it. We urgently need a pick-up in the League because we are down in thirteenth place. That’s virtually unheard of in my time as manager at Highbury.”
Fascinating words from the diary of the Arsenal manager on 13th January, 1995, as recorded in his book published later that year, George Graham, The Glory and the Grief.
I wonder if we will see those sentiments repeated should Arsene share the contents of his diary with us at some future point?
69 Responses to “I Wonder”
Blimey ‘hols. Less is more mate. Have you heard something?
2nd….really short one eh!
plus Γ§a change, plus Γ§a la mΓͺme chose.
that ought to be a dose of tonic for some of the haters out there.
a round of optimator dopplebock out of the keg for the house!
I’d like to read his thoughts on the departure of Dein and know what their relationship was about afterwards, but I think we would only get at the truth if he kept diaries and a biographer had access to them after his death.
At least GG didn’t have transfer window to contend with….
Would presume that is what has happened. Arsene looks to have taken on his contract on the basis of fixed monetary parameters which he has to work within, however things have changed dramatically buisness wise in football and to stand still is to decline..or maybe I have no clue which is a lot more likely.
Looking forward to his memoirs when he does get around to writing them, hope he is as frank as ever , eye opener for sure.
Ha, in February he was sacked!
Cannot see Wenger pulling that one in public
Blimey holic. I wonder what triggered that one? π
I cant wait for his memoirs too. Need to know why he did what he did this season with the players going out and the players who came in. What is this all about?
I also need to know what benefit is gained from buying on the last day of the transfer window
Did anyone catch The Standard tonight? Apparently Chelsea fans are up in arms about the potential move away from stamford bridge. A fans spokesman said ” it is a disgrace, you can’t just bulldoze 10 years of history.”
π π π
He has had many opportunities to go to clubs with massive budgets and has never budged,don’t think he would finically dope a team,go against his grain.i heard him in an interview a couple of weeks back saying people would be very surprised to see the offers he turned down.I’d imagine city and Madrid knocked on his door a few times.
Holic you defiantly up to mischief here, come clean what do you know?
I just hope Arsene’s big book, if it ever comes out, for the benefit of future generations of Arsenal fans, has full instructions on how to release the handbrake…..
Steve T π
Zico, I have a new year’s resolution! I’m not gonna put the handbrake on after parking anymore. Maybe that would make The Arsenal throw that damned handbrake out the window.
zico – π
If he’s turning into a driving instructor, I think they’ve mastered the emergency stop at least. And the reversing (back) round the corner. But not so good on the ‘meeting oncoming traffic safely’ just yet…
Snir, I would prefer if your new year resolution was to stop “seeing” future injuries π
Zico – I don’t see the injuries, I just get the right prognosis π
Colin Lewin has got me on speed dial π
There seems to be lots to wonder about in the Goonerholic world today. So I’ll add my two cents. I wonder when Rooney is going to sign for us. Then nobody will complain that he’s captain of my FFL squad. π
I remember those days very well.
I walked home from a 1-0 defeat to Liverpool (McManaman I recall) scared for the first time i would see The Arsenal relegated.
Not long after that comment above, George splurged millions (a fortune!) on Glenn Helder, John Hartson and Chris Kiwomya.
Desperation buys that make Arteta et al look considered.
Then he got sacked for bung taking.
Somehow though, those ropey signings kept us up, thanks to home shoeings vs Norwich and Ipswich.
Happy days they were!
At least we have consistency around the piggy bank even if we can’t manage it on the field.
I suspect Arsene is too private a person to ever publish his memoirs, let alone his diary. A thoughtful treatise on tactics or management or the state of the game is more his style.
I suspect the author is trying to make excuses for the man. From what we’ve heard over the years my deduction would be that Wenger takes AFC’s financial situation very much to heart and totally buys into it. It is a cosy marriage of convenience between the board and Wenger.
Let’s also not portray him as too virtuous for turning down offers at Man City, Real Madrid et al. I would suspect he’d know there would be no tolerance for his ‘development’ ideals beyond a season.
I think Wenger is great at managing great players. He’s too much of a purist and idealist to manage more limited players like we have now, who require more pragmatic, proactive coaching. Hence the current state of play.
Anyway, just my opinion.
Jekyll, I agree with your final sentiment.
Wenger remains a great manager and I hope to see him win the European Cup – but I strongly doubt that he can do so whilst managing Arsenal.
Whilst a great manager, Wenger is no longer suitable to the challenges Arsenal now face. Jekyll has pointed out the qualities required currently of the coaching staff.
Arsenal needs a new approach, new direction and vision. One that accords with some uncomfortable realities. The talent pool at Arsenal is more restricted than previously during Wenger’s tenure and simply having the players go out and do their thing will not work anymore.
Arsenal need a new direction and Wenger a fresh challenge. He deserves to win the European Cup and I won’t hold a grudge if he moves to PSG next season.
Jekyll @ 23 & Sniff @ 24: My take is that Wenger can (i) make good players great and (ii) has a great eye for raw talent at an early age. I also think he finds himself in a situation not entirely of his making. Arsenal had a business plan to build a new stadium and create a team that would be competitive while it did so. Hence the ‘youth project’. But while that plan was being executed, the business environment changed. Big money owners came into the Premiership, and what it meant to have a competitive team changed. Abramovich created a model where Chelsea had two established internationals for every position, and the wage bill to match. All the big clubs followed suit. Rising TV rights provided the money to buy and pay the players, whose costs were being driven ever higher by the laws of supply and demand. No longer could you get away with having a couple of superstars surrounded by developing talent and/or journeymen. Clubs needed a full set of seasoned stars. Arsenal, constrained by the stadium development, couldn’t/wouldn’t change course. That was the hand Wenger was dealt, and he has arguably played it better than anyone else might have.
A glass of your finest claret, as ever, ‘Holic, if you will, and for all the regulars in. Lars’s tab, of course.
Jekyll, Sniff – I don’t think AW turned down City and RM because he knows he won’t get patience for his projects there.
I think he’d be glad to try a new project and that the youth project while he believes in it was forced upon him. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t his idea.
He simply denied them because he genuinely feels he isn’t finished here yet.
All my opinion of course.
While I suspect a few of the players with us right now may not have been at the top of Arsene’s wish list, I believe he wouldn’t have approved their transfers if he didn’t feel they could do a job. Recent results notwithstanding, we do have quite a few talented players at our disposal. However there remains a huge cloud of despair over the club at the moment which is hard to get rid off and it affects our play on the field.
Ned, I’m dying for AW to succeed again at Arsenal, and I agree with everything you said. Sniff, some of your points are reasonable but I can’t accept your conclusion. Wenger has handled changing circumstances before and can do so again. With Arsenal.
I like this short clip because it’s a recent high point and every Arsenal player in it is still a member of the club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rufskyb6aQ&feature=related
That last part, “still a member of the club,” is nothing to be sneezed at these days. π
Come on Arsenal !!
Wenger MUST adopt his youth project,because he knows he can’t sign the top echelons players.
Some of you really can’t see the most on front of your face.
For those who haven’t done so, I would suggest reading this book during the Interlull.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arsenal-Making-Superclub-Alex-Fynn/dp/1905326602
Might clear up a few things about how things work at the club…
In Soviet Russia, diary write you.
Ok, just to clarify a few points.
I am not suggesting for a second that the club abandons the youth orientated policy.
Scott, I hope that comment is not directed at myself. Please read my post properly – I alluded to the realities that Arsenal face.
To reiterate, I didn’t suggest that Wenger be sacked.
I agree with the analysis of Ned @25 re the changing financial landscape of the premier league but I have two points in response.
1) The youth orientated approach was partly a response to Abramovich type spending occurring throughout football. It was not a model that was designed before RA took over at Chelsea and was then caught up in the changing landscape – it was a response to such changes in football (though the reality of stadium debt played its part).
2) Wenger has historically done very well within the financial constraints at Arsenal. His ability to bring through young talent was a key to such success. As behind the 8 ball @28 says Wenger has in the past responded well to new challenges – but this situation is different. In the past he always had the new focal point for the team lined up and ready to assume the role – the transition to Cesc being the most recent. In the current scenario though I don’t think AW has that same focal point to the team. Some might suggest RVP or Wilshere but I’m not so sure. AW has not changed his approach despite the recent departures.
I want to see him turn things around at Arsenal. As I said he remains a great manager but he appears overwhelmed this season and it saddens me greatly. He has mastered changing and challenging circumstances in the past but I fear this off season provided one too many changes.
North bank Ned@25,
Are you the same Ned who regularly posts on Arseblog?
Something about your final comment re regulars prompted my question.
Also, with respect to Jekyll @23, I didn’t agree with the first two points – only the final one. As I said earlier…
I wonder not…….
Actually, Arsene failure is way above any wage structure, or players we can’t get….
To be honest, Arsene Wenger 2.0 lost it, tactics wise. He lost the dressing room, he lost his visionary sight.
You can’t say it’s the board restrains. We bought OX for a 15 million worth deal. We sold Cesc, with Arsene’s approval, 15 millions less than his true worth, when he still had 3 more years on his contract. And we didn’t miss any of the dross average players we had. and all of them got extensions with most of them getting salaries rise on top of that.
A team suffers a financial problems doesn’t act this way……
Ah, and did I mention Arsene himself stated zillion times he has the money but he won’t spend if he doesn’t find better players than what we have (hard to find better ones than Almunia, Squillaci, Denilson and Chamakh to be honest)….. silent Stan stated the same, Ivan too….
Holic –
The boss has made the very same statement many times before. So does this make us a great club who have made a transition to become a bigger club in the future.
It’ll be interesting to see how those other clubs desperately trying to build new stadiums will cope.
Sometimes in all of the hype I feel that we supporters have a tendency to over-complicate issues. But the above statement sums us up as a competing club the current climate.
Although what happens on the pitch at full strength is another issue!
Our state of play will change. Bought OX and the Japanese boy for that. We just need to move the ball faster than before. Arteta, Benayoun are all good squad players. Top Striker is the difficult part. Arsene is intelligent enough to rectify post-cesc playing structure.
Arsenal must unite and give a concerted response on the field. So I think the variables that can be factors – players, formation/tactics and fans.
Perhaps Bernard, have you considered that even though you speak as though you are intimately familiar with Arsene and his relationship with the board, that it was not he who was responsible for much of what went on this summer.
It is funny that you recall meaningless pr quotes about having the money to spend, but conveniently overlook the statements about not selling Fabregas and Nasri before they went. Maybe he really didn’t want them to go.
The reality is staring you in the face. Over fifteen years our net spend wouldn’t buy the quality of player some of you bleat about. There is a reason for that. Please think instead of blindly following the popular anti-everything line.
If he did come out with that statement, then I am not quite sure how that would wash with the fact that we have the 4th highest wage bill. The fact that that wage bill has probably been mis appropriated i.e. overpaying the average, is possibly another story.
My conspiracy theory if anyone is interested – the cosy little lockdown agreement of the board, which was sold as a paragon of virtue and protection to the club, whilst the vultures circled, was obviously the means of a united front to maximise personal profit, which along the way was potentially starving the club of funds in order to increase profitability !! Yet that same board more or less remains and we are supposed to entrust them with doing the right thing by our club ??!!
I also wander if Wenger was implicit in this – surely successful ambitious football clubs, don’t pay managers that kind of money to deliver no on the pitch success? So what has h been getting paid that kind of wage for ?
I don’t think I’m bleating for some mythical, superstar signings.
This post was initially about potential frustrations/limitations placed upon Wenger.
I simply believe that circumstances, perhaps influenced to a degree by his actions, have operated in such a way that he has too greater a task in front of him. Losing both Nasri AND Cesc was a huge blow. He has in some ways worked miracles by selling established stars whilst bringing in younger talent whilst keeping the club progressing.
I’m just not sure he can do it again. As a fan of Wenger I hope he gets the chance to win the Champions League ideally with Arsenal but elsewhere if need be (not with an English club though). He is at an age where opportunities to do so must be considered seriously.
Hoping for this is not anti Arsenal and obviously not anti Wenger.
However as someone above suggested his desire might simply be to stay at Arsenal. Finishing the job here might be more important than winning trophies elsewhere. Despite what people say Wenger is principled to the point of sometimes being stubborn but he is not an egomaniac.
Ryan L,
I don’t quite follow what you’re saying. Are you suggesting that Wenger has taken a cut of the profits made by board members through selling their shares? Or that they are paying him a salary simply in order that he keeps his mouth shut – and that nobody cares about the state of the team?
If that is the case why even bother in investing in players?
I respect people’s opinions but sorry, this is really out there…
Not suggesting a cut of profits sniff. But the board members probably maxcimised personal profits through a united front of the lockdown agreement, so initially I question why that same board is still in place and why as fans we would trust such a regime.
Secondly, I am questioning the existense of such extreme reward for ehat called be called on pitch failure. I think once you start to lower your sights then you shouldn’t be overly surprised when standards follow suit, which is potentially what we are seeing now.
Finally, what do you mean bout player investment? Obviously a club like Arsenal can’t blatently asset strip whilst continuing to retain the highest ticket prices out there – AND I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN ASSET STRIPPING. However, how do you defin player investement after a transfer window that has seen the club make a net transfer surplus – not for the first transfer window either.
Cheers
R
We are all speculating here with the facts, dare I say it even Hollic himself.
Will WE ever get to the bottom of what is actually going-on inside the club no of course we wont. Because silence comes @ a price.
For me I have THOUGHT for some time that AW is complicit with the board on spend, that’s why HE’s paid the big £££ one of the best paid managers in the prem & no silverware in 10 years, so he must be doing something right their eyes, so that can only be the financials that he’s getting right for them?
I still truly worry about this board on a daily basis, they use this “financial fair play” statement to beat us supporters around the head daily, we have the money sitting behind us that could make us solvent overnight if they really wanted to, but the board are happy to keep taking profit from the poor in some cases deluded fans.
With these guys in charge we have @ least another few years of pain ahead of us, mind you when we don’t qualify for the UEFA cup this season I think Stan will change is mind then about AW!!!
I am actually all for the self sustaining financial model and am definitely not crying out for FM style signings.
The trouble is we aren’t operating the self sustaining model, it would appear that we are operating well within it – the financial handbrake is on !!
I simply question why we take direction from a board who have demonstrated nothing but self interest and have spun us along year on year. I am pretty sure that during the 15th anniversary news, that Wenger stated that his objective was to make Arsenal the best club in the World – admirable. But does the club’s behaviouer to dat correlate with this objective?
I also do question premium level of reward that like i say seems to co-exist with ongoing failure.
Ryan,
I suppose the issue I had was how you felt Wenger fitted in to what you were arguing.
*scurries to a dark corner wispering*
‘Holic,
some dangerous debate going on here.
I hope your mail box is still sealed!
Hmm. TS and Tabs must be on extended anti-riot duty. If so, I hope their PARS suits are serving them well. And what of Wolfgang Smallballs. The alternative rumor circulating in these parts has them all on holiday with Dr. C with the lot of them delving deeply into the green tin in a lovely Catalonian garden. The rhythm seems to be one toke, one tapa. Repeat and take a large drink.
Or did they pop over for a quickie to the H2H bar in the Low Countries? That would appear to meet the agenda of Smallballs, at least. π
Chezzer’s punt @48,
What makes this debate dangerous? Or is this some smug, insider joke that I am not aware of?
“YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss …”
Afteroon ‘holics. :tips hat:
Sniff, I am honest enough to admit I am not clear, even in my own mind as to how I think Wenger potentially fits in with what I am questioning. But I do wonder why in a results driven business the rewards dont seem to align with on field success or the flipside – sustained failure. Yes previous success and market forces would have created a benchmark for an initial level of reward, but how many other clubs would have contiuned with that and increased that with no tangible return? My fear is it is based on results the trouble is not on field results.
From my perspective back in 2004 we were all at Highbury watching the invincibles. Now I am not saying we shouldn’t have moved, but we were sold the move on the basis of a need to compete etc. So the board then decided to use the club, its assets and fanbase to move to a new ground, they leveraged debt against the club and in hindsight (yes I know thats easy) undersold the ongoing commercial value of the club. So at no point was there any personal investment made from board level. The board then subsequently all made vast personal sums and in the main still remain in situe.
From the fans side – nice new shiney stadium all fine and lovely, but that Invincibles side was stripped away very quickly, we have consistantly and continuously sold our best players, the team appear to have been starved of investement, to a point where we are now watching an impotent attack and a porous defence and in a proper rut whcih extents back to March, and to boot we all get to pay extra for the privilege.
Basically something just isnt right, maybe a lot of things aren’t right, but whatever, it shouldn’t be allowed to continue in this current malaise. Or alternatively maybe I have just become so depressed with the clubs ability to take my support for granted and treat me like a consumer, so I am now just behaving like a consumer !!
Great post today on Arseblog, with a lot of good contributions on how the readers (Esso, most notably) started supporting the Arsenal.
Holic.
Holic,
Dr C asked me to ask if he is on the naughty step?
Maybe he shouldn’t include the link that he was trying to send you?
As someone smart and secretive once said ‘Follow the money’…
How much money does the club actually have available to it?; Where did that money come from?; And how (in general terms) do the club intend to spend that money?
The board (ivan ‘the mediocre’), say plenty’s available for AW to spend pretty much as he sees fit, yet AW seems to go into the transfer market with ze handbrake on – clear up this issue and we would all understand much better what’s really going on at The Arsenal.
Then we could begin to make informed judgements as to whether or not we buy into of the way The Arse is being run while the new owner and his team look after our club.
IMHO i suspect company man Arsene is keeping schstum re the full story of what’s going on at The Grove – his ‘i could write a book about this summer’, – comment makes that pretty plain. And if he is keeping schstum is it not nearing the time he stopped doing that?
And, for me, it most definitely is time for IG and Stan to get candid and let us know exactly what’s what on the money front – before the growing disillusion surrounding the goings on at the club starts to do it real damage – if it’s not too late for that already, that is.
As some others once sang ‘money, money, money must be funny in a rich man’s world’ – ABBA word with the recently ‘Smiley, Speaky, Happy’ Stan – Arsene, and get ‘im to come completely clean with the supporters re the cash – ‘cos being an Arsenal fan is not fekking funny at the minute, and you sure don’t look like your enjoying yourself much either.
And if Arsene doesn’t read this blog (surely he’d be mad not to – esp. during an interlull when all he’s got to do is play keepy uppies with Arteta and Frimpong), evidence suggests some of Ivan’s minions do.
So… ‘You lot – clear up the effin’ confusion between what the board says and what the manager does re the club’s money. And fukkin’ hurry the fuk up about it, fanks.’ – not sure whether that was ever an ABBA lyric – still.
UpTheArse!
Btw, fantastic analysis of Arsenal finances available from The Swiss Ramble on today’s blog.
Probably won’t get a book – too much secrecy – ticket price increase – THORN!
Sniff @35: I am the one and only, as far as I know. There is, though, a North Bank and a North Bank 1 who post on Arseblog. No relation. Why do you ask, if I may ask?
And Lester @ 57: As Arsenal Holdings plc has to publish its financial results, you can follow the money, at least up to a point. As Sniff recommends, read the Swiss Ramble on the subject, http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/10/arsenals-finances-21-questions.html
Cheers NBN – read The Swiss Ramble – interesting and well-informed but stuff many Gooners are pretty much familiar with by now (Jesus when did following football start to have to include a workingish knowledge of high fekkin finance) – but like many Gooners i want to know the clubs (StIvan’s and AW’s) answers to the sort of questions i posed @57 – not what amounts to more speculation from third parties.
At the moment we’re still all left guessing – and without hearing first-hand, financially contextualised future policy mullarkey from those running the club, and instead getting a mixture of messages from them – guessing can turn nasty, especially during tricky times like these.
CoMOnUReds!
And Lester @ 61: To your point, financial accounts are by definition backward, not forward looking.
Getting the wage structure sorted out so we can attract and retain the best players is entirely in the hands of the club’s management. I have said this here before, so apologies for repeating myself, but the players should have more of their potential earnings coming from performance bonuses. Swiss Ramble made a telling point that the difference in the total money spent on wages last season between the Mancs and us was mainly bonuses. At least the Mancs got some silverware for their money. If players are motivated by money grubbing, then let’s (i) incentivize them to work for it and (ii) give us fans, who in the end foot the bills one way or another, something back in return. Our present wage structure encourages too many of them to just Denilson about regardless.
Finally, I am sure EA has a Fantasy Football Accountant game in the works….
NNB – Our wage bill also compares favourably to the other big clubs because we keep such a big squad – i believe SW Ramble mentioned that. This too, i think, was part of Arsene’s Teenage midget masterplan (TAMM) – which meant we mopped up as much high-quality young potential as possible, that would then be developed, and hopefully, find its way into the first team or be sold on at an overall profit – so a sizeable chunk of our wage bill was/is investment in potential for both player sell-on profit or first team improvement. The club’s been quite successful with this, which makes me wonder whether the ‘fringe players being over-payed idea’ – is in fact overplayed a little when placed within the overall financial picture.
And of course i appreciate that as you say ‘financial accounts are by definition backward, not forward looking,’ which is why in my opinion – admittedly encouraged by ‘holic’s blog – it’s the club’s financial policy which is the most prescient issue at the present time.
We know, broadly speaking, what money goes into the club; what money goes out and the amount of money we hold in reserve. What we don’t know for sure is the short, medium and long term thinking of those at the club that control those finances in relation to transfer policy, player wages, debt repayment, potential dividend payments and possible loans taken out against the value of the club etc.
Apologies if i sound a bit repetitive – just trying to be as clear as possible.
UReds!
NNB – Our wage bill also compares favourably to the other big clubs because we keep such a big squad – i believe SW Ramble mentioned that. This too, i think, was part of Arsene’s Teenage midget masterplan (TAMM) – which meant we mopped up as much high-quality young potential as possible, that would then be developed, and hopefully, find its way into the first team or be sold on at an overall profit – so a sizeable chunk of our wage bill was/is investment in potential for both player sell-on profit or first team improvement. The club’s been quite successful with this, which makes me wonder whether the ‘fringe players being over-payed idea’ – is in fact overplayed a little when placed within the overall financial picture.
And of course i appreciate that as you say ‘financial accounts are by definition backward, not forward looking,’ which is why in my opinion – admittedly encouraged by ‘holic’s blog – it’s the club’s financial policy which is the most prescient issue at the present time.
We know, broadly speaking, what money goes into the club; what money goes out and the amount of money we hold in reserve. What we don’t know for sure is the short, medium and long term thinking of those at the club that control those finances in relation to transfer policy, player wages, debt repayment, potential dividend payments and possible loans taken out against the value of the club etc.
Apologies if i sound a bit repetitive – just trying to be as clear as possible.
Finally NNB – think you might have something going on there with Fantasy Football Accountant – it’s only 13 weeks till Christmas and the kids are bound to luv it!
UReds!NNB – Our wage bill also compares favourably to the other big clubs because we keep such a big squad – i believe SW Ramble mentioned that. This too, i think, was part of Arsene’s Teenage midget masterplan (TAMM) – which meant we mopped up as much high-quality young potential as possible, that would then be developed, and hopefully, find its way into the first team or be sold on at an overall profit – so a sizeable chunk of our wage bill was/is investment in potential for both player sell-on profit or first team improvement. The club’s been quite successful with this, which makes me wonder whether the ‘fringe players being over-payed idea’ – is in fact overplayed a little when placed within the overall financial picture.
And of course i appreciate that as you say ‘financial accounts are by definition backward, not forward looking,’ which is why in my opinion – admittedly encouraged by ‘holic’s blog – it’s the club’s financial policy which is the most prescient issue at the present time.
We know, broadly speaking, what money goes into the club; what money goes out and the amount of money we hold in reserve. What we don’t know for sure is the short, medium and long term thinking of those at the club that control those finances in relation to transfer policy, player wages, debt repayment, potential dividend payments and possible loans taken out against the value of the club etc.
Apologies if i sound a bit repetitive – just trying to be as clear as possible.
Finally NNB – think you might have something going on there with Fantasy Football Accountant – it’s only 13 weeks till Christmas and the kids are bound to luv it!
A mulled whine please barman!
UReds!
Pardon ‘holic had a bit of trouble posting. Please feel free to dump this post and 63, of the 2 above if you don’t mind.
And do a take a drink for your troubles!
Oh no ‘holic i now see that 64 has been bit by gremlins too – apologies – i’ll get me keyboard and go
UReds!
Lester, thats one serious echo you’ve got going on there π
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Off topic.
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