Pat Farrell to Joe Haverty, The Green Gunners – Part 1
Oct 11th, 2015 by 'holic
What seems to be a day (well afternoon and evening anyway) of Irish sport has prompted memories of times when Arsenal sides were reliant upon their Irish stars. Their contribution to Arsenal’s history is significant, and the team I followed over land and sea (and yes, even Leicester!) would not have reached four Cup Finals in three years without it’s green core.
From what I can see the trail was blazed by one Pat Farrell who made 22 appearances in just over a year at the club from 1897 to 1898. The first Irish international on the books appears to have beenย Tommy Shanks, signed by then manager Harry Bradshaw from Brentford in 1903. Shanks finished top scorer with 25 goals (the first Arsenal player to score over twenty goals in a League season) when we won promotion to the First Division for the first time in that season. He also won two caps for Ireland in that season but was sold back to Brentford before he could kick a ball for the Gunners in the top flight.
Arsenal lost that lofty status, but infamously regained their First Division place following WW1 in 1919, and Joe Toner was signed from Belfast United. He proved to be outstanding value for money, making a hundred appearances in the ensuing seven years and scoring six goals. He was also the Gunners first player to be capped by Northern Ireland after separation.
There are a few tales to be told of Irish players down the years, and although likely something of an urban myth it is said that right-back Alec Mackie asked for a pet monkey rather than a signing on fee when joining the Gunners from Forth River in 1922. He made 108 appearances in six years and won the first of three international caps in 1923. His spell coincided with that of left-back Andy Kennedy, also first capped in 1923. He too would be sold by Herbert Chapman in 1928 after appearing 122 times in the red and white.
More intriguing was the case of one Walter McMillen who we thought had become an Arsenal player in 1933, but hadn’t. See the story linked here, with due credit to Darren and the Arsenal Collective.
Jimmy Dunne was a forward with Sheffield United for whom we had to bid twice before Herbert Chapman got his man in 1933. In his first season he scored 9 goals in 23 appearances as Arsenal landed the League Championship for the third time in four seasons. He suffered a dramatic change of fortune when Ted Drake was signed in the summer of 1934 and made just two appearances in the next two seasons. He was also capped three times by the boys in green during his spell at Highbury before moving to Southampton in 1936.
There is no brief description I can give to cover the next contributor from the Emerald Isle. Instead I have linked to an obituary for Dr Kevin O’Flanagan, itself unable to cover the scale of this remarkable man’s achievements in sport and in life. An Irish international in rugby and football, his time at Arsenal coincided with the end of WW2, and somehow he managed to combine playing football for us with rugby for London Irish and Ireland. Research him at your leisure. I assure you it is well worth the effort. He was a favourite of the ‘holicdad.ย Briefly the good doctor was accompanied in the side by journeyman wing-half Paddy Sloan, scorer of one goal in 36 appearances between 1946 and 1948. He was capped twice by the Republic in 1946, and surprisingly represented the North a year later.
Former Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers player Noel Kelly didn’t have the same impact, making just one appearance in a 1-0 win against Everton in 1950. In 1953 we signed Billy Dixon from Chelsea and he fared just a little better. Plagued by injuries, the ยฃ15,000 wing-half scored just once in 31 games over a period of three years, although he did earn three of a dozen caps for Northern Ireland during his time at Arsenal.
It seems apt to end this first part of two with reference to Joe Haverty, probably the first of the Irish Gunners who the senior ‘holics will recall. A good little’un, Joe was another favourite of ‘holicdad, although his time at the club coincided with the start of a barren seventeen years spell for the club, honours wise. You can read of Joe in more detail in the obituary published on the club’s official website. He is also certainly the first I saw in the flesh, but myย memories kick in after he left in 1961.
Part two will start with the first Irish Gunners I do have personal recollections of, and expect me to wax lyrical about, among others, one Liam Brady.
106 Responses to “Pat Farrell to Joe Haverty, The Green Gunners – Part 1”
No drinks can never be allowed…
Indeed not Ned. Just off for a top up now. ๐
Dr Kevin O’ Flanagan was also a Bohemian and apparently played cricket for Ireland too, as well as Gaelic Football for the mighty Dubs. His brother who also played football and rugby for Ireland only passed away a few months ago.
http://bohemianfc.com/?p=8954
Thanks Dubs. He achieved so much he will be the subject of a post of his own one day. How can one man have been so good at everything he did! Remarkable man.
Nice bit of history, Holic –
looking forward to part two and some more familiar names, of which there are many.
A needed step up in class from the fish punnery.
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There was also one other interesting story I uncovered while researching this, and involves an Irish player we actually did sign.
Norman Uprichard was a goalkeeper we signed from Distillery in 1948, but because we had George Swindin at the time he didn’t get a game for us (hence left out of the above).
A year on we sold him, ironically?, to Swindon where he was first choice for three years. Portsmouth snapped him up in 1952 and his claim to fame is that he was the goalkeeper for Northern Ireland when they reached the World Cup quarter finals for the first time (it was unbelievable back then) in 1958.
Thanks Trev. ๐
‘Holic, you’ve got mail.
You should have posted it Ned.
It appears the database I used missed out on William Gilmer, who played three games in goal in January 1896, 21 months before Pat Farrell’s debut against Grimsby in September 1987. Gilmer was born in Ireland in 1876.
He is on the Arsenal player database, though his birthplace or nationality isn’t mentioned.
Thanks Ned. ๐
Monks know all, Guv’nor, but show due deference.
And another early one: Hugh Cassidy. Just the one game in 1897.
I was told a story about Kevin O’Flanagan that he sent off a referee but I’ve not been able to verify it. Apparently he was playing in a game in which the ref was struck so hard by the ball that he was knocked out. When he came round he tried to carry on but Dr O’Flanagan over-ruled him and insisted he leave the field of play!
Nice story, Andy, and thank you. I’ll play the not significant cards on Cassidy and Gilmer! ๐
We signed a Pat from a distillery, ‘holic? Sounds a rum idea to me…
Oskar
You were right about Joe Haverty, ‘holic, one of my earliest Arse memories was of the feisty little fella in full flight against Sunderland.
Oskar
There’s a giveaway on Leapfrog whisky (or whatever it’s called) on the Huffpost website. I won’t link to it as it’s a prize draw thing and no doubt clickbait, but if you do a search for Huffington Post Laphroaig you should get the link to the entry thingumy.
Lovely article, I have great affection for Ireland, I have many friends there on both sides of the border and I am even Chairman of an Irish company. I’m so delighted about their rugby team. They played magnificently today.
We have some special contributors to the site from there and as you have shown we had some wonderful players. I look forward to the further instalments( s) .
I also remember Joseph Haverty as I remember the programme called him. He was a mercurial little winger with great dribbling skill but he was playing in a pretty average team sadly. But I remember the crowd warming to him whenever he got the ball.
Cheers Cynic. One can never have enough Laphroaig!
Evening all. ๐
Nice one and very topical guv’nor with the Irish rugby and football teams in full flow today. As you state the club has had a great supply of ballers over the from the Emerald Isle and I’m already anticipating your next chapter in due course.
Thanks so much for that Holic. This Irishman is still getting an education even about the history of his own countrymen at the club..!! I started watching the Arsenal in the late 70’s when a lot of Irish played for the club. And while I am no follower or fan of International footie, we could have done with a few of those lads tonight!
And thanks too Ttg for the remark earlier. I come from the Clare / Limerick side of the country which is a Rugby hotspot over here. I don’t believe the Irish players are any more talented than the French or their English counterparts for that matter. The difference is in the coaching.
Joe I couldn’t guarantee this is a comprehensive list, as you can see from the drinks above. Hopefully part 2 will not leave out one who both of us saw and enjoyed. I will be on more certain territory for sure!
Cheers ‘holic and all of the Irish or nearly Irish persuasion. ๐
Joe, in my one trip to the Emerald Isle I recall Ennis, County Clare, as one of the highlights.
Earliest Arsenal memory:
Watching Liam Brady curl it into the far corner time after time.
Gilmer certainly didn’t leave much of an impression. He kept a clean sheet in his first game before conceding six goals in his next two and losing his place to William Fairclough.
cheers ‘hol
cracker stuff
gonna summon my inner monk
and delve into this as you suggest
cheers again fella
and looking forward to part two now
first hand accounts of players playing
always terrific stuff
when it’s a hero
all the sweeter
Liam had said bye bye
a couple of years before i got to highbury
only saw him play in claret and blue
great but just not right
anyhoo
good man yerself ‘hol
UP THE ARSENAL
Excellent stuff Holic. All new stuff to me. Thank you. I hope that I might have heard of, or even seen a few of the fellas in Part 2.
Exactly everything new to me and great to read, thank you so much.
Giroud scoring yesterday, Ozil assisted as always and i am feverishly hoping everyone comes back safe and sound. Biggest worry is Alexis, he is still not fully fit, yet played against Brazil and i am certain will against Peru, is it???
Oh Dennis please ensure everyone is fit and fine for the Watford game and then the small matter of a bayern visit.
An Irish fella was trying to park but couldn’t find a space anywhere, so he began to pray.
“Lord”, he said, “if you’ll open up a parking space for me, I’ll give up all my whiskey and I promise to go to church every week”.
Suddenly there was a flash of lightning, the clouds parted and the sun shone down on an empty parking space.
“Oh, never mind”, he said, “I’ve found one !”
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Kolarov and Matic both sent off for Serbia yesterday. Isn’t there a way to get them to serve their suspensions for their club teams??
The Mackie Monkey story has taken up a life of it’s own. It was originally noted in a single throw away line by Leslie Knighton who stated that Mackie had purchased a monkey with his first wages.
Since then it appears to have been conflated for whatever reasons into an aunt sally story.
There is really no reason to disbelieve that Mackie himself purchased a monkey.
We’ve had a strongly Scottish tinge from the outset. Six of the sixteen players used in the 1889-90 team during the FA Cup run were from north of the border. Glasgow and its surrounding industrial towns seem to have been fertile recruiting ground for workers at Dial Square and thus players for the then pre-league Royal Arsenal
One place we didn’t seem to get players from was London. Of the seven Englishmen with known birthplaces who played in that Cup run, none was from the capital, though there was one from Swindon.
As for the first foreign player, there are sources that say David Gloak, a forward who played in 1890 and 1891 before moving to Millwall, was born in France, though the monks haven’t (yet) found any confirmation of that fact, if fact it be.
Gloak played what must have been one of his last games for Royal Arsenal on Easter Monday in 1891, a friendly against Hearts of the Scottish First Division, a game that drew a crowd of 12,000 to the Manor Ground. Gloak played inside left. One sign of the strength of Scottish football in those days is that the visitors beat a full strength Royal Arsenal 5-1.
The match programme contained this rhyme:
Old Midlothian is our theme;
Plumstead welcomes you this day
Show our gallant local team
How the canny Scots can play;
We are of one Brotherhood,
We are of one flesh and blood.
Weโre the โCracksโ of London Town,
Conquest is our end and aim,
We desire to earn renown,
Arsenal never begs a game,
Show our Reds what you can do,
They may learn a bit from you.
You have made yourselves a name,
Climbโd the steepy hill of fame,
Looking from the top youโll find,
Arsenal lads not far behind,
When youโve faced our Royals, tell us
If they are not right good fellows.
Toast Midlothian โere we part;
May they prosper, Good Old Heart!
Friends of Plumstead, raise your head
Toast our Boys! our Royal Reds!
We are of one flesh and blood
We are of one brotherhood.
๐ ned
certainly a far cry from
“who are ya”
“who are ya”
Give those monks a tot each Ned.
Magnificent stuff ?
Good stuff, Ned.
a first hand account of
liam brady in his heyday
was certainly not a
part of my experience
but settling for the next
best thing, a televised account,
was not so bad either.
RVP now in Netherlands bust-up with one of his Yannited replacements, Memphis Depay.
cba@31: William McGonagall would have been proud.
That said,
“Royal Red Army!”
“One flesh and blood!”
would work well as a call and refrain.
Irish song about a farmer and his dead cow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5XBDZtYVQg
A musical history lesson, too, if you read the fine print.
Excellent stuff H. Ned, as interesting and as informative as ever.
Thank you.
Another possible Irishman (not confirmed) from the 1897-98 season: James Monteith. Farrell and Monteith were among six debutants who played in the first match of the season, at home to Grimsby Town. Both scored in the 4-0 win.
fine work ‘h – thanks
Good stuff Ned (and the monks).
12 across
interplanetary swedish landlord’s furthest flung alehouse bans other bars company vehicles from it’s car park
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http://t.co/13dTHEgswC
..so Fat Sam’s back!
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20151012/cech-the-key-to-making-vital-saves
We got the right goalie !
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cba@42: floccinaucinihilipilification?
Ned @ 39
I think Monteith’s shot took a deflection off the Grimsby left back ??
Anything is possible, ttg. There is always a chance of something fishy with Grimsby.
A historical footnote to that season (1897-98): at the end of it we stood for election to the Football League’s First Division despite having finished fifth in the Second.
The circumstances were unusual. Promotion and relegation for the next season were then decided by the outcome of an end-of-season play-off group involving the bottom two sides in the First Division and the Second Division champions and runners-up. The top two teams in this “Test Match series” secured places in the First Division for the following season; the other two were consigned to the Second.
Burnley and Stoke came top, having apparently colluded in the final Test Match to play out the 0-0 draw that ensured them the top two slots. In addition, the League also decided to expand both divisions by two clubs.
Six teams applied for the two additional First Division spots: the two Test Match losers, Blackburn Rovers and Newcastle United, plus Manchester City, Newton Heath, ourselves and Small Heath, who had occupied positions three to six in the Second Division respectively. However, when it came to the vote, we came bottom of the poll with just two votes.
When we secured promotion to the First Division in 1919 — again following a match-rigging scandal and league expansion — we were much better prepared, as related earlier http://goonerholic.com/2015/07/guest-tales-north-bank-ned-on-1919-and-all-that-2/
After the 1897-98 season, the Football League replaced the Test Match series with automatic promotion and relegation as we know it today.
Never trusted Burnley or Stoke….or Newton Heath or Small Heath. They are as bad as Man United and Birmingham
Heh, Netherlands losing 2-0 to Czechs in half-time but we just got red card right before HT. Holland has to win to have any remote chance to progress at least to play offs, might be really good game to watch in the next 45 mins.
Wales score through Ramsey.
Robin van Cuntie scores!
For the Czechs!
LOLS
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OG from van Payslip XD
Van Poopsie.. what a 50th goal!
Definitely sinks their hopes!
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Ned. Consignment doesn’t sound as cruel as relegation.
Not advocating consignment mind you. Not for any of us. ๐
RVP now booked for a dive in the box.
Hehe, not taking anything from Czech team today, but Netherlands were really, really shit and did not deserve to win in any conceivable universe. That Van Persies own goal was a decider in the end is even sweeter. However even if they won, it would not change anything since Turkey won too. It will be weird to have Euro without Holland, but times change, instead of them, in comes Albania, Slovakia, Wales etc.
Euros are a peculiar competition.. Greece won it once, enough said!
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Glad Blind is playing for ManU.. !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srmq4GxF7fY
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLLL!
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ned 45
twas a brain strangler i made up for a teenage smartarse
on his instructions “more difficult the better”
having tried the one about how many “ands” you can get
one after another in a valid sentence
only to be told he knew it already
i thought , right ! ye see shite !
me, arthur and John J concocted this that night
but
after annoying the head off me and his father
for ages with questions
and the head near scratched off him
he threw in the towel
much to his parents less than secret delight
“too convoluted and shite” i was told
in my defence i was completely convoluted when it was thunk up
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when i told him the answer
it became “corny”
it is
but he got his revenge as the answer is a tonguetwister
which he and his wee brothers
annoyed the fuck outta everyone with
so i went from hero to arsehole quick smart
.
.
.
12 across
interplanetary swedish landlordโs furthest flung alehouse bans other bars company vehicles from itโs car park
(4,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,”4,4,3″,4)
(i gave him the numbers as a clue after an hour or so)
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Ach, ye’re as arcane as ye’re wise, cba.
as Abel said to Adam
“Where’s arcane?”
“Whats arcane mean?”
woulda been better
but gets a minus on trev timing scale
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cba,
Mars’ Lars bars Mars bar’s cars. ??
Best I can do. Just seen your clues but not studied them.
Oh, doesn’t seem to fit the clues at all. ?
63>64 IMHO, cba
And your riddle beats me.
What has it got in its pocketses?
What Mr. Argoigne, the Louisiana sugarcane planter travelling in France said after being addressed incorrectly: “Ain’t nom arcane.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2afWAJLqFM4
While we are on the subject, I do believe AOC is in need of a hairstyling upgrade.
65 trev ๐ nice one
that’s what the wee lad was dancing around
after the green vinyl jimmy jimmy was brought out
he’d missed the 12 across ref though
as the number of words
baff , holiers again ?
hope ye aren’t
in the land
of the pick-pochettinos again
mind you
if you gotta pick a pocket
ye gotta picka pochettino or two
the feckin delusional numpty ๐
trev
his mother kept saying
“come on , it’s obvious”
mind you
so’s she ๐
but
it is and it isn’t
it’s still corny as fuck though
auntie climax without a doubt
I wonder if Van Payslip could rewind his career whether he’d want to have left for United. He’s paid a high price for a League medal. Maybe Wenger who took pelters then although he got ยฃ 24million for him got another deal right? And how many people would take Fabregas over Ozil now? My Chavski friends say he has been pathetic for the best part of a year. Have we really been hurt by Nasri leaving?
It’s not the leavers who hurt us it’s the fact we don’t always get people in when we need them
Not on hols again cba. I wish! I just linked from the pub I was in for lunch from my i-phone as they had free wi-fi (the Inn on the Park in South Hackney). Hadn’t noticed that I hadn’t altered the moniker on the phone. All corrected now.
Having said ‘not on hols’ we are in London for the time being, enjoying the amenities and surrounded by felons of all types. ๐ฎ
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The question is : does bathgooner actually spend any time at all in Bath ? ๐
68 ๐
and cheers for the leadbelly
oul song ye mentioned is sad indeed
wishin his son dead
rather than his milk cow
fuck them paddy bastards
wi their cheery disposition
miserable feckin shower
wi elephant’s memories
don’t understand ’em meself
they talk funny
Trev@75
In Bath or in the bath? ?
*splashes about merrily* ๐
*bites head off rubber duck* ๐ฎ
dandies dinnae bathe
they scare the dirt off ’em
wi a granite stare
*mac Grrrrrrrr*
ah well
wrote stare meant glare
drink drunk
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYtLhQduXS8
trev ๐
Like it.
@TTG: He made 200K/week over 4 years instead of 130K/week over 3 years and got a title to his name. Not too shabby…
This is the best interlull ever I can remember:
– no injuries
– Alexis, Walcott, Giroud, Ramsey, Ox, Cazorla, Campbell, Gnabry, Apkom score, Ozil assists
– Aguero, Silva, Kolarov injured for City
It’s our season I tell you ๐
Matt
Granted, but he had to live in Manchester, see Wayne Rooney every day and lose the love of the Gooner faithful.
You make an excellent point about the Interlull. Arteta’s and Fkamini are fit and Koscielny might be.
bath
homemade
HAAA
hmmmm
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JUY5KHfnO4Y
?
yer a whisky fan , bath
*stifles e-inclusion*
men up mountains bringing deep joy
to many
i live up a mountain
my nightmare swally isn’t
double distilled
triple
sometimes
.
colour
flavour
from oul barrels
not on yer fuckin nelly
.
don’t want it
need it
or could be arsed
.
.
.
say there seamus
are we gonna drink this now
or are we gonna age it in port barrels
for 18 years
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IDIOTS
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like the billy connolly joke
with first names
that are , in any sensible home
a second name
anyhoo
howya Crawford
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it’s mother’s maiden names
as first names
and
well
what caused all the ridiculous names here
of the opposite persuasion from me
i’m not sectarian
but i find it hard
to call someone
mcgillicuddy without a smirk on me chops
In an English County that shall remain nameless,the Police have admitted that they only investigated house burglaries if they were reported by an even numbered house.
This apparently was decided because they only ever got to attend 50% off all break ins anyway,so made the decision supposedly on a whim,to just follow up even numbered ones.!!
The fact it emerged later,that 2 Senior members of Police in nameless County lived in the area,in,you guessed it,even numbered houses,is neither here nor there. !!
And in another nameless County,the Female head of the Police Unit that was appointed to head up the ‘ Don’t drink and drive ‘ Campaign,was,yes you guessed it,pulled over one night in a breathalyzer roadside testing area,and blew over twice the legal limit.!!
Finally,I just cannot bring myself to repeat the story about the 2 Police Officers from the UK sent to a nameless holiday hotspot frequented by young Brits,to assist the Local Police in curbing the bad behavior that was occurring all too frequently once the sun went down.
slainte clive
when the whole police force
is against you
lawbreaking not needed
?
Lars’ mars bar bars bar cars bar Lars’ “LARS’ MARS BAR” cars
told ye ๐
corny
95
96
97
98
99
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqR1Rql5r8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cnVRpPKd8Is
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=yYtjASjsvzM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WMGvQ2v-ZRM
Slainte back at you CBA,
And a 10 match ban for the most shameless multiple assist for a century since the inception of the Holic bar. !!
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Jebus. 5 hours work. Read it please! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>