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We Play The 1960 Champions Shortly Before Playing The 1961 Champions

Aug 16th, 2019 by 'holic

In 1960, a year before the neighbours won their second and last league title, Burnley won their second and last too. They are clubs at a similar level, it would seem. I will hopefully enjoy us seeing off both in the next fortnight.

Who will run out against the clarets in the Saturday lunchtime fixture? Bernd Leno is a given, as are probably Ainsley Maitland-Niles and Nacho Monreal, but does David Luiz come in for either Sokratis Papastathopoulos or Calum Chambers? That would be harsh after last week’s clean sheet at Newcastle.

I am assuming that Granit Xhaka, one of our five captains, will also be retained in a 4-2-3-1 if he is passed fit? I thought Matteo Guendouzi played very well last week but he knows his place will be under pressure from Lucas Torreira, if not one of the younger lads.

The choice of three will be interesting. Could Nicolas Pepe come in for Henrikh Mkhitaryan? Will Dani Ceballos get a first start, or perhaps Emile Smith Rowe? Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang on the left if Alexandre Lacazette is ok to return up top? What of Joe Willock and Reiss Nelson? This will be a big test for Unai Emery.

We tend to win handsomely against the visitors these days, and we are looking for an eleventh consecutive win against them, but they have given us some tough moments down the years.

The ‘holic pound

Of course I’m on the home win. 2-0 to The Arsenal at 13/2 is the favourite. Sometimes you just have to run with the first choice. Now, do I have two pounds somewhere? 🙂 I hope to see a number of you tomorrow. Have a great one, ‘holics.

The ABW preview

I offered my availability for this, albeit from the local, but strangely I was not required. Enjoy it nonetheless. Danny and the excellent Simon provide the content.

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114 Responses to “We Play The 1960 Champions Shortly Before Playing The 1961 Champions”

  1. on 16 Aug 2019 at 8:48 pm1can't be arsed

    lhw RIP

  2. on 16 Aug 2019 at 8:52 pm2can't be arsed

    god bless The Arsenal

  3. on 16 Aug 2019 at 8:55 pm3TTG

    I’m making a journey up from holiday in Norfolk to the game tomorrow. God bless Mrs TTG! It doesn’t compare to Countryman’s pilgrimage last week but it’s a full day out for an old geezer like me.
    Very hard to read Emery’s mind but I hear Xhaka may be out and ESR played for the U23s tonight ( and scored) . My guess would be
    Leno
    AMN Chambers Sokratis Nacho
    Torreira Guendouzi
    Pepe Ceballos Auba
    Lacazette

    Good enough to chase off the Clarets 3-0 ( and I do remember them winning the league and playing in the European Cup – televised ( second half only )

  4. on 16 Aug 2019 at 8:56 pm4can't be arsed

    funny as fuck
    both

  5. on 16 Aug 2019 at 8:59 pm5iBtM

    Nicely set up, Holic. I’m hoping to see Ceballos and Pepi feature if not start. I have a sneaking suspicion that Luiz will start in preparation of the visit to Anfield.

    Hoping to catch you tomorrow.

  6. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:02 pm6can't be arsed

    thunder T
    reading your post in a dick emery voice which i quickly arrived at before i arrived at emery is a tonic i craved

    thanks m’lud

  7. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:04 pm7can't be arsed

    you are awful

  8. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:10 pm8TTG

    But I like you CBA- slaps patient and totters away on high heels

  9. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:11 pm9bathgooner

    So many questions, Holic. Not like you. I know UE is a tad Delphic but you usually stick your neck out a bit further. ?

    I suspect Luiz will get a start beside Papa. He’s got to get Arsenal game time before we face Liverpool. I don’t think Pepe will start but he will come on in the second half. I expect the following starters:

    Leno

    AMN Luiz Papa Monreal

    Torreira Guendouzi

    Mkhi Ceballos PEA

    Laca

    I hope to catch you after the game after having a bite to eat at my favourite Italian if you’re hanging around the usual place for the Shitteh match.

    Here’s to the first home win of the season. ?

  10. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:13 pm10bathgooner

    Just watching Easy Rider.

    Now THOSE were the days.

  11. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:18 pm11can't be arsed

    Scottish people watching homo erotic biker porn

    mmmmm

    plus ça change

  12. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:22 pm12bathgooner

    I see the surgeon didn’t remove the Sarky Paddy twat bit.

  13. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:26 pm13can't be arsed

    don’t worry baff
    my liver is on its tippy toes
    so you’ve probably got only a wee while
    to put up with not being
    quite as funny as me , pal

    *baff answers*

    …

    .
    .
    .
    .
    nope
    not even a single solitary sausage of a syllable

    .

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  15. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:27 pm15Goonerholic

    I may be located at the Pins early morn gents, and probably the usual location post match. ??

  16. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:27 pm16Cynic

    Third over, fourth down?

    Sort of Donald Trump meets Ted Bundy.

    https://cdn.themindcircle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1970s-romantic-men-hairstyles-5.jpg

  17. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:27 pm17can't be arsed

    eh ?

  18. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:30 pm18bathgooner

    Take a load of Fanny

    Take a load for free

    Then you put the load right on me

  19. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:34 pm19can't be arsed

    i prefer drinking

    being rude and getting the response immediately
    really is shite

    in the olden days i wouldn’t feel shame for days
    .
    .
    .

    sobriety agrees with me less than others

  20. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:38 pm20can't be arsed

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sohc_sOVe74

  21. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:45 pm21bathgooner

    cba @ 20, I sense a return to form.

    Point of information, the Highlanders couldn’t afford horse. If they had got hold of a horse, they would have eaten the poor beast.

  22. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:47 pm22bathgooner

    It’s still the same in Castlemilk. The Irish have much more respect for the noble steed.

  23. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:47 pm23can't be arsed

    i’m running out of insides
    so ……

  24. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:51 pm24can't be arsed

    silly oul nonsense
    i don’t care
    but everyone else seems to

    maybe i will shut up
    GOODNIGHT

  25. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:54 pm25can't be arsed

    I am on nodding terms with Liam

    don’t and never forget that

  26. on 16 Aug 2019 at 9:58 pm26can't be arsed

    don’t worry
    i’m guessing he has

    the unintelligible paddy bastard

  27. on 16 Aug 2019 at 10:00 pm27can't be arsed

    i don’t have the legs for the ton
    cheerio

  28. on 16 Aug 2019 at 11:27 pm28Pangloss

    C’mon cba. Put the effort in, man.

    In other news, nice preview Guv’nor. I hope your realstiv prediction proves woefully short of reality.

    COYG

  29. on 16 Aug 2019 at 11:38 pm29bt8

    Speaking of Fanny, Fanny the chicken passed away this week. Jack the dog still doing ok but looking more and mora snaggletoothed.End of report

  30. on 16 Aug 2019 at 11:47 pm30bt8

    Always thought it a better idea to pop acid in the cemetery than to watch a movie about popping acid in the cemetery but RIP Peter Fonda

  31. on 16 Aug 2019 at 11:53 pm31bt8

    Bilbao 1 Barcelona 0

    Something’s happening here
    What it is ain’t exactly clear

  32. on 16 Aug 2019 at 11:55 pm32Silly Second Yella

    Sylvinho will be our next manager (head coach)…eventually.

  33. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:51 am33OsakaMatt

    Nice preview Guvnor.

    I guess Emery’s starting XI’s
    may be a bit more conservative
    than we expect until after the
    Spud game. We’ve a new CB
    partnership, exploitable
    weaknesses at both FBs and
    maybe no Xhaka, who bafflingly
    UE seems to rate.
    The defence did well last week
    but Newcastle were woeful up
    front.

    Anyway, I’m expecting a tight
    2-1 win and another just take
    the 3 points performance.

  34. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:31 am34Cent

    Thanks for the preview, H. I’m torn between hoping Luiz starts ahead of The Spuds visit and rewarding Chambers for a good time against Newcastle. I suspect U.E. feels the same way. I wonder if he will start all three in this game, not just for this reason but also in a bid to combat Burnley’s use of two big men up front.
    Xhaka will start if he is fit, believe it or not but he is our best forward passer among all our midfielders not named Mesut Ozil(not counting Ceballos). I suspect one of Ozil/Ceballos will start too. I would be surprised if either of the two teenagers who started last week start this one.
    I think U.E. will go with Leno, AMN, Chambers, Luis, Papa, Kola, Xhaka, Gwen, Mkhi, Auba, Laca. I would love to see Leno, AMN, Luiz, Papa, Nacho, Xhaka, Gwen, Ozil, Auba, Mkhi and Laca start but then I’m neither the coach nor do I have 1% of his experience.

    Good to see you back, CBA!

  35. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:32 am35Cent

    SSY @32, it’s still early days but I think you’re on to something.

  36. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:02 am36bt8

    Early to bed and early to rise makes it possible to catch a 6:30am kickoff. If my calculations are correct that would be 4:30 scruzgooner time but who really needs sleep anyway?

  37. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:53 am37OsakaMatt

    The early kick off works for
    gooners in Japan. A civilised
    8.30 in the evening here,
    I’m thinking a bottle of
    claret with the game as it’s
    Burnley.

  38. on 17 Aug 2019 at 4:29 am38North Bank Ned

    I like the way you think, OM.

  39. on 17 Aug 2019 at 4:29 am39North Bank Ned

    cba back and back on form. Bodes well.

  40. on 17 Aug 2019 at 6:22 am40scruzgooner

    holic, your 130 last drinks was spot on.

    but, bite me, cba, you gotta build those ton legs back *up*…quitcherbitchen.

    bt8, that’s too sparrowfarting early tomorrow. i’m in the midst of a blacksmith hammer-in, and need my beauty rest (as is always the case, not even on the barber’s chart, me). i’m taping the game, and hope to watch our thrashing them 4-0 on sunday after the exquisite post-loadout shower… sorry about the holic pound, in that case, guv.

  41. on 17 Aug 2019 at 9:48 am41Chippy

    So the First home game of the new season – Just past Richmond so the wait for a cold one in good company draws closer. The big debate of the day is whether I buy my little one a home or away shirt with either my namesake or rocky 7 on the back – Choices. As she’s only 7 months 5 letters is the max 🙂 3-1 the Arsenal

    Up The Arse.

  42. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:05 pm42bt8

    Early riser, me. Cheers to all the waken and the sleeping scruz too. 🙂

  43. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:08 pm43bt8

    Come on Willock

  44. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:09 pm44bt8

    Come on Nelson

  45. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:10 pm45bt8

    Come on Ceballos

  46. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:11 pm46bt8

    Come on the expected starters

  47. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:11 pm47bt8

    Come on Sideshow Bob

  48. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:13 pm48bt8

    Claret schmaret

  49. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:15 pm49bt8

    Except where Osaka M is concerned. Kobe beef accessories?

  50. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:16 pm50bt8

    Half ton before cba could blink an eye

  51. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:18 pm51bt8

    Probably out painting bull’s eyes ? on all the local cows

  52. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:19 pm52bt8

    Any closer yet Chippy? Chipy?

  53. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:25 pm53bt8

    Laca in, Mkhi out

    Me thinks we are ahead on that one

  54. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:26 pm54bt8

    Come on the undefeated Arsenal

  55. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:38 pm55OsakaMatt

    Luiz just gave me a heart
    attack.

  56. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:43 pm56ATG

    Get in Laca! ??????

  57. on 17 Aug 2019 at 12:59 pm57OsakaMatt

    Good goal Laca

    Living a bit dangerously since.

  58. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:05 pm58Cynic

    Going to need another goal here and preferably before they score theirs.

  59. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:13 pm59Cynic

    It was coming. Too much fannying about by us in attack and they go and score.

  60. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:21 pm60OsakaMatt

    Really annoying one to give
    away just before half time.
    But it had been coming.

    Poor crossing from good
    positions and getting pushed
    out of it in midfield.

  61. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:51 pm61ksn

    Auba!!!!

  62. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:52 pm62gedo

    Auba Boom!

  63. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:52 pm63OsakaMatt

    Big chance for Auba.

    Then we score!!!
    Nice finish Auba!!!!

  64. on 17 Aug 2019 at 1:53 pm64Cynic

    He gave the keeper the eyes. From OUTSIDE the box.

    Great goal, really really impressed with Ceballos on this evidence.

  65. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:23 pm65gedo

    Dani looks the business.

  66. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:25 pm66PanglossP

    Yes!!!!!

  67. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:25 pm67BB

    How long of a loan do we have for Ceballos??

    We’ll need an extension on that!!

    😀

  68. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:33 pm68OsakaMatt

    3 more points.

    Players came in and players
    came back so all in all it was
    ok.

    And nice to see Dyche so
    upset at the end. Clog and
    lump it failed again Sean?

  69. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:36 pm69Bayonne Jean

    Ceballos vis a vis Xhaka; notice any difference ?

  70. on 17 Aug 2019 at 2:39 pm70bt8

    Check out the league table. As it should be is the same as as it is.

  71. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:00 pm71OsakaMatt

    🙂 bt8

    only 36 games to go

  72. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:01 pm72Pangloss

    Re mine@66. New season… same old typing skills…

    I rather envy those who can blame a spillchucker.

    COYG

  73. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:04 pm73OsakaMatt

    Nice to watch the other games
    with 3 points in the bag.
    Watching Soton vs Pool with
    no great hopes but you never
    know

  74. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:06 pm74Dorset Mick

    Thirty-six more like that and we’re champeens!

  75. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:14 pm75North Bank Ned

    Ceballos and Pepe look the business. So does Joe Willock. I’d like to be beating the likes of Burnley by more than 2-1 though.

  76. on 17 Aug 2019 at 3:41 pm76Joe

    Ceballos was incredible in this match. He controlled the match with his passing and created second goal. He also made this awesome skill on two Burnley players.

    He just might end up as one of the best signing of the season (despite being only on loan).

  77. on 17 Aug 2019 at 4:09 pm77TTG

    Making my way home to a temporary home in Norfolk but thought coming up was worthwhile as the result was good and a number of the new players did well. Hugely impressed with Ceballos, my neighbour picked up the similarity to Fabregas early on . Although Luisvwas culpable for the goal the ball took a deflection which changed its course. I thought Luiz did well and enjoyed some of Pépé’s trickery. Willock also put in a shift and I was also impressed with Guendouzi and Sokratis. Lava was clearly not fully fit. Burnley were very much Burnley . We had to work very hard and repel crosses and long
    balls which by and large we did well. My biggest criticism was the risky
    nature of our passing especially in our own area. It
    Is bound to end in tears from time to time. With Burnley the ball
    Is likely to end in tiers ?. Hopefully Ceballos will replace Xhaka permanently ( this season at least ) after this excellent performance

  78. on 17 Aug 2019 at 4:46 pm78OsakaMatt

    Hope Auba was watching
    Adrian screw up and gift
    Southampton a goal.
    It was the 2nd time he’d
    done that in the game

  79. on 17 Aug 2019 at 4:48 pm79North Bank Ned

    Sterner tests to come for Luiz and Sokratis, but they looked a decent CB pairing today. Cebillos may turn out to be the best signing of the season, as Joe@76 suggests, but Luiz could well prove to be the best bargain.

  80. on 17 Aug 2019 at 5:09 pm80Cynic

    The one thing they should stop doing, that is the simplest thing to fix, is playing it out from the back at goal kicks.

    There’s no need to do it, no need particularly for TWO defenders to drop back behind the line of the six yard box, as they did so often today, and … to be quite frank … we ain’t good enough passers to do it.

    It just invites pressure, they can push right onto us and we’re going to lose games doing it.

    Pack it in.

  81. on 17 Aug 2019 at 5:10 pm81OsakaMatt

    Chambers was unlucky to be
    dropped today but UE was
    probably right based on the
    result. The next two
    matches will be a better test
    of Luiz, Ceballos, Pepe and
    Willock. I thought Willock and
    AMN both looked comfortable
    enough again today though
    Nelson struggled a bit.
    We’ve seen Luiz enough to know
    but for the newer guys it’s going
    to be a testing couple of games.

    Too wasteful in attack today
    but hopefully we will get
    sharper. Encouraging that
    Laca and Auba remember
    where the net is.

  82. on 17 Aug 2019 at 5:42 pm82Chippy

    Rocky 7 won the day, Dan C is an absolute baller and I’m fucked if I can tell the difference between 23 or 29 ?

  83. on 17 Aug 2019 at 7:28 pm83ksn

    City 2-2 Spuds. Great result for the others in traditional top six.

  84. on 17 Aug 2019 at 7:38 pm84OsakaMatt

    Shitty were robbed basically I
    thought but dropped points all
    round is handy.

  85. on 17 Aug 2019 at 7:55 pm85Countryman100

    Well I must say I rather enjoyed that day out in the sun.

    But nobody who was there commented on the major change since last season. The clock counted forwards from 0 to 45 and from 45 to 90. Not backwards as has always been the case.

    Does no one care anything about tradition? Why were the members of this bar not consulted?

  86. on 17 Aug 2019 at 8:25 pm86TTG

    One comment as someone in the ground was how poorly handled VAR was as far as the paying spectators were concerned. I have no idea how detailed the analysis of our disallowed goal was on TV but there was no chance to examine the evidence and frankly as an experience the whole thing was …meh. I have experience of Italian VAR and it was similarly naff. The spectators in the ground have no idea what is going on.
    I have seen the way replays illuminate and enhance the game for spectators in the ground at cricket, Rugby League and Rugby Union but football really has to improve the way replays are presented .
    I didn’t watch Citeh- Totts tonight but it seemed to take a very long time to make a decision looking at the info put out on the BBC website. ( by the way that’s two games in a row the Totts have had major breaks on VAR at the Etihad

  87. on 17 Aug 2019 at 8:53 pm87Countryman100

    TTG. Hear hear to that re VAR. I go to Lords and see and hear what the umpire sees and how he makes his decision. At the Emirates we saw a screen that said that a check was being made, and what the final decision was. Not good enough.

    Still brooding about the clock though.

  88. on 17 Aug 2019 at 9:24 pm88North Bank Ned

    Looks like someone got the clock arse backwards.

  89. on 17 Aug 2019 at 9:54 pm89Cynic

    The main thing about VAR vs BT was that VAR took forever and BT had already done and done with it long before VAR was finished.

    I hate VAR.

    I might have mentioned it.

  90. on 17 Aug 2019 at 9:57 pm90bathgooner

    TTG @ 86, CM100 @87. I was there and fully share those emotions. The clock was an unconsulted reversal of the norm. The VAR moments put the rowd in aspic for 3-5 minutes. Total nonsense. I later saw the utter travesty at Shitteh. They are killing the game. I am happy with our window and happy with the development of our team in transition. All the newbies look an upgrade. Ceballos looks the business as does Pepe. Willock is stepping up brilliantly. But I am glad not to have made a season long commitment as this VAR shit is utter cack (tautology).

  91. on 18 Aug 2019 at 12:14 am91TTG

    I am ad idem with my colleagues about VAR but it Is compounded by the ridiculous rule which denied Citeh a goal tonight. No way was that handball. When you think back to the Llorente handball last season in the QF of the Champions League and how dubious that was and how the VAR judges deem that Llamela’s assault on Rodri was not a penalty after VAR scrutiny we are seeing the game reduced to a farce . They started with altering the offside law and we now have a whole series of stupid amendments which just complicate and create ridicule.

  92. on 18 Aug 2019 at 2:48 am92OsakaMatt

    The lack of replays at the ground is
    a nonsense that has been going on
    for years now. As I recall FIFA started
    it by deciding no “controversial”
    replays would be shown as it might
    upset the crowd and cause trouble.
    Football is a real leader when it comes
    to showing contempt for the fans who
    pay at the door.

  93. on 18 Aug 2019 at 3:02 am93OsakaMatt

    Though I suspect the refs must
    be happy so far – they can just
    shrug and say not my decision
    mate. That is actually better to
    me as it means less pointless
    protesting. And the offside part
    of VAR is also working well – the
    rule may be too complicated but
    the offside/not offside cases are
    simple and accurate.
    The penalty decisions are a
    problem as is the time taken
    but no doubt with patience and
    goodwill on all sides (hahaha, I
    laughed to myself as I typed that)
    improvements can be made.

  94. on 18 Aug 2019 at 3:13 am94OsakaMatt

    Hmmmm, sorry Pangloss.
    I was doing that balanced
    opinion thing again @93

    It’s the early morning coffee
    after an Arsenal win that brings
    it on

  95. on 18 Aug 2019 at 3:17 am95OsakaMatt

    Would of have been an even
    better day if the idiot Ings
    had stuck the ball in the
    Liverpoo net instead of
    miskicking from 3 yards out.

  96. on 18 Aug 2019 at 3:54 am96OsakaMatt

    Dyche was whining about our
    players diving all over the place
    today.
    Did anyone see that?
    I thought we bought a couple
    of cheap free kicks in the last
    10 but then so did Burnley.

  97. on 18 Aug 2019 at 10:03 am97bathgooner

    Sean Dyche?

    Ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Twat!

  98. on 18 Aug 2019 at 10:04 am98Dorset Mick

    Matt,

    I wouldn’t wish to describe Dyche as a hypocrite, but did Burnley not finish 18th in last season’s fair play league?

    The media should call him out on this, as the timing of his whinge infers that the Arse are cheats.

  99. on 18 Aug 2019 at 11:29 am99Steve T

    Guys. Listen to what Dyche actually says. He said, “I’m more worried about the greater good of the game. It’s nothing against Arsenal or their players by the way.” He was talking in general about a Premier League meeting where all managers were told that any dives will be punished by a yellow card. That gives every player licence to cheat at least once in every game. He then said that dives should be punished with a red card.

    Personally, I don’t have an issue with any of that.

  100. on 18 Aug 2019 at 11:30 am100Steve T

    In true cba style…….

  101. on 18 Aug 2019 at 11:30 am101Steve Vallins

    @ Matt
    I think Dyche’s moaning about Arsenal players diving to the ground was late in the game when Burnley had a break and Barns ( a very nice gentle player ) decided to barge into Kola and put him to the ground .
    The much beloved Dean saw this ( surprise surprise ) and yellow carded Barns , it’s obvious Kola should have stayed on his feet from this unprovoked attack which came from slightly behind him which he didn’t know was going to happen .

  102. on 18 Aug 2019 at 12:06 pm102OsakaMatt

    Steve T,

    I listened as you suggested and he does
    talk in general but then later he says it
    happened 3 or 4 times today before
    assuring us again that he’s not
    talking about Arsenal.
    I suppose it depends on whether
    you believe his assurances or
    not – personally I think he’s a
    sneaky little hypocrite.

    I like the idea of red cards for
    diving but players have got so
    good at it that it’s unworkable.
    Decision making would be
    completely inconsistent or we’d
    need even more VAR stoppages

  103. on 18 Aug 2019 at 12:09 pm103OsakaMatt

    Steve V,
    The Barnes thing at the end
    was funny and so poetically
    just 🙂

  104. on 18 Aug 2019 at 12:57 pm104Pangloss

    OM@94. It’s good to see the dawning of self-awareness. I hope that in time you will learn to self-censor before inflicting such reasonable and balanced nonsense on an unsuspecting internet.

    I’m trying to resist the temptation to get involved in the VAR discussions as I fear my opinions are rather Matt-like.

    As has been said before (and apologies for repeating it), just 36 more wins and we will be in good shape.

    COYG

  105. on 18 Aug 2019 at 1:15 pm105Pangloss

    I’ve just watched the Man &Cent;iti v Tinies match on MotD.

    Surely the ruling-out of a late Oilers’ goal was nothing to do with VAR; it was down to a recent law-change by the FA? (A point that, to be fair, was made by Mr Lineker before, as far as I recall, being ignored by Messrs. Shearer and Murphy.)

    Decrying VAR sells more paper, gets more viewers and attract more clicks that reasonableness and fidelity toward the facts. ‘Twas ever thus and, likely, ever will be.

    COYG

  106. on 18 Aug 2019 at 3:02 pm106Goonerholic

    Hello all. The report will be up either tonight or tomorrow night.

  107. on 18 Aug 2019 at 4:37 pm107Cynic

    The thing about it being a law change is sound enough, but so is criticism of VAR, as without VAR the accidental handball wasn’t seen.

    So it’s a case of double cuntery.

  108. on 18 Aug 2019 at 5:48 pm108Dorset Mick

    Steve T@99,

    I think Dyche could have saved his whinge for any time other than his post match interview – we will get tainted by association.

    You must agree that he is a total hypocrite to talk about fair playing when he managed his team to 18th place in last year’s fair play league.

    If anyone is to lecture football on how to play the game it should be Pepe or Klopp, not some skidmark from Burnley.

  109. on 18 Aug 2019 at 6:29 pm109Pangloss

    Cynic,

    I don’t really understand most of the criticism of VAR.

    As far as I can make out, it generally seems to come down to “It takes so long to review anything that it buggers up ‘the flow of the game’ and bores the paying punters rigid”.

    I certainly agree with the complaints about implementation (leading to “boring the punters rigid”). There are many sports that have something similar – I regularly watch Rugby Union, Tennis and American Football – and that do it better. It’s only been around in football for 5 minutes or so, so it doesn’t surprise me that the implementation leads something to be desired. I hope, without much confidence, that football administrators will improve things over time, hopefully quickly. (I suspect that the speed of administrators’ response will depend on the amount of pressure they come under from the meeja, and I’m not quite sure which side they will consider their bread to be buttered upon – the worse the implementation the more column inches or broadcast seconds they can fill with criticisms.)

    I’m not sure I understand the concept of “the flow of the game”. I don’t know any details of the implementation of VAR, I believe it may only get consulted when play has stopped so the game isn’t flowing anyway.

    That said, I think I am vaguely opposed to VAR. It seems to hold out the prospect of some kind of perfect decision making, which I just don’t think is going to happen, ever. Part of the problem is the weirdly complex rules – does anyone actually understand the offside law? Basically, and at risk of getting overly philosophical, the game is played by people, who make mistakes from time to time; I really can’t see any good reason to think that it would be improved if it were officiated by people who didn’t make mistakes, or whose mistakes were later corrected.

    COYG

  110. on 18 Aug 2019 at 6:38 pm110Cynic

    VAR will end up sucking the life out of the game IMO, especially when combined with daft changes to the existing laws.

    In other news, this cricket substitution law is nonsense. In the first test we’re a bowler short for almost the entire game because Anderson went in the fetlock and could not be replaced with an active player, yet a bash on the noggin allows a replacement for Smith who can bat all day.

    Laws shmaws.

  111. on 18 Aug 2019 at 7:02 pm111bt8

    Enjoying Fat Frank’s super debut of 1 point from 6.

  112. on 18 Aug 2019 at 8:06 pm112bt8

    7 second half goals in yesterday’s Villarreal-Granada match unfortunately overshadowed Santi Cazorla’s first half penalty. Game ended 4-4.

  113. on 18 Aug 2019 at 8:48 pm113Goonerholic

    Finally, it’s here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  114. on 19 Aug 2019 at 7:35 pm114ksn

    Sokratis has said that it may be easier to defend against Liverpool than Burnley. He must be really thick to invite so much pressure before a big game. Just the motivation that Mane, Salah etc., need to up their game.

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